Give me some etfs tracking NIFTY and Nifty next 50, and their expense ratios?
I'll search for ETFs tracking NIFTY 50 and Nifty Next 50, along with their expense ratios.Now let me also get the Nifty Next 50 ETF expense ratios more precisely:Now let me also get the data for a couple of remaining Next 50 ETFs and the Nifty 50 ETFs I'm missing TER for:Now I have comprehensive data. Let me compile the final tables.
NIFTY 50 ETFs — Expense Ratios
These ETFs track the Nifty 50 Index, representing India's 50 largest and most liquid companies.
| ETF Name | Ticker | Expense Ratio | AUM (₹ Cr) | Launched |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| ICICI Prudential Nifty 50 ETF | — | 0.02% | ~40,849 | — |
| Kotak Nifty 50 ETF | — | 0.03% | ~3,342 | — |
| Nippon India ETF Nifty 50 BeES | NIFTYBEES | 0.04% | ~62,889 | Dec 2001 |
| SBI Nifty 50 ETF | SETFNIF50 | 0.04% | ~2,05,278 | — |
| Aditya Birla Sun Life Nifty 50 ETF | — | 0.04% | ~3,095 | — |
| Axis Nifty 50 ETF | — | 0.04% | ~1,290 | — |
| HDFC Nifty 50 ETF | — | 0.05% | ~5,214 | — |
| Mirae Asset Nifty 50 ETF | NIFTYETF | 0.05% | ~5,162 | — |
| UTI Nifty 50 ETF | — | 0.05% | ~68,963 | — |
| Motilal Oswal Nifty 50 ETF | — | 0.06% | ~55 | — |
| Quantum Nifty 50 ETF | — | 0.08% | ~83 | — |
Key points: SBI's outsized AUM (~₹2 lakh Cr) is driven by EPFO flows rather than retail interest. Nippon India Nifty BeES (NIFTYBEES) is the oldest and most actively traded on exchanges, with the tightest bid-ask spreads. ICICI Prudential's 0.02% TER is the cheapest in the category.
NIFTY Next 50 ETFs — Expense Ratios
These ETFs track the Nifty Next 50 Index, which covers the next 50 companies after the Nifty 50 — essentially large-cap stocks with potential to break into the top 50.
| ETF Name | Ticker | Expense Ratio | AUM (₹ Cr) | Launched |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kotak Nifty Next 50 ETF | NEXT50ETF | 0.07% | ~19 | Jan 2026 |
| ICICI Prudential Nifty Next 50 ETF | NEXT50IETF | 0.10–0.12% | ~2,056 | Aug 2018 |
| SBI Nifty Next 50 ETF | SETFNN50 | 0.12% | ~2,953 | — |
| UTI Nifty Next 50 ETF | UTINEXT50 | 0.15% | ~2,269 | Aug 2017 |
| Mirae Asset Nifty Next 50 ETF | MANXT50ETF | 0.05%* | — | — |
| Nippon India ETF Nifty Next 50 Junior BeES | JUNIORBEES | 0.19% | — | — |
| HDFC Nifty Next 50 ETF | HDFCNEXT50 | 0.20% | ~130 | Aug 2022 |
| DSP Nifty Next 50 ETF | NEXT50ADD | 0.30% | ~9 | Jan 2026 |
*Mirae Asset's 0.05% was reported as of June 2025; check latest factsheet for current TER.
Key points: Kotak offers the lowest TER in the Next 50 space at 0.07% but is relatively new (Jan 2026) with low AUM. Among established players, ICICI Prudential (0.10–0.12%) and SBI (0.12%) offer the best cost-to-liquidity trade-off. Nippon India Junior BeES (JUNIORBEES) is the most liquid for trading, despite its slightly higher 0.19% TER.
Selection Considerations
- Expense ratio is not the only criterion — a 2–5 bps difference matters less than liquidity (bid-ask spread) and tracking error when trading meaningful amounts
- For larger trades (>₹25 lakh), prefer ETFs with the deepest order books — Nippon BeES for Nifty 50, ICICI/SBI for Next 50
- For buy-and-hold SIP-style investing via demat, the lowest TER ETFs (ICICI for Nifty 50, Kotak for Next 50) are compelling, provided liquidity is adequate
I am buying puts on NIFTY (since that is more liquid) - and buying NIFTY 50 ETF. How should i manage quantiy to cover my positoin?
This is a classic delta-hedge / put-protection framework. Here's how to think about quantity matching:
Core Relationship
You're combining two instruments:
- Long NIFTY puts — a bearish or protective position that gains when the index falls
- Long Nifty 50 ETF — a bullish position that gains when the index rises
The goal is to determine how many ETF shares are covered by one put contract.
The Math
NIFTY Options Contract Specification
- NIFTY options contract multiplier: 50 (1 lot = 50 units of the index)
- Strike price × 50 = notional value covered per contract
Example: If you buy a NIFTY 18,000 put, one contract covers:
₹18,000 × 50 = ₹9,00,000 of notional index exposure
ETF Equivalent
Your ETF roughly mirrors the index at a fraction. If the Nifty 50 ETF trades at ~₹260 per unit:
₹9,00,000 ÷ ₹260 ≈ 3,461 ETF units covered by one put lot
General Formula
| Parameter | How to Find It |
|---|---|
| Put Notional | Strike × 50 |
| ETF Shares per Lot | Put Notional ÷ ETF Price |
Shares per put lot = (Strike × 50) ÷ ETF NAV/Market Price
Practical Approach
Let's say the numbers are:
| Variable | Value |
|---|---|
| NIFTY Put Strike | 24,000 |
| Contract Multiplier | 50 |
| Put Notional Covered | ₹12,00,000 |
| ETF Price (NIFTYBEES) | ~₹272 |
One 24,000 put covers: ₹12,00,000 ÷ ₹272 ≈ 4,412 ETF shares
Then Scale By Position Size
Once you know shares per lot, scale to your actual position:
- Buy 2 lots of puts → need ~8,824 ETF shares for full coverage
- Buy 5 lots → need ~22,060 ETF shares
Key Nuances
| Factor | Impact |
|---|---|
| Beta / tracking error | ETF won't move 1:1 with NIFTY. Tracking error is tiny (~2–5 bps) for liquid Nifty 50 ETFs, so practically negligible for hedging |
| Delta decay | As the put moves in/out of the money, delta changes. Deep OTM puts have low delta initially and won't fully hedge until the index moves closer to the strike |
| Notional hedging | What's described above is a 1:1 notional match — a delta-one hedge assuming the put is deep ITM (delta ≈ –1). If you want a delta-neutral setup, multiply by the put's absolute delta |
| ETF lot size | ETFs trade in single units on exchange, so near-exact matching is possible (unlike index futures) |
Delta-Adjusted Version (Tighter Hedge)
If the put has delta of, say, –0.35 (OTM put):
Effective shares = (Strike × 50 × |delta|) ÷ ETF Price
Same 24,000 put with delta –0.35:
₹12,00,000 × 0.35 ÷ ₹272 ≈ 1,544 ETF shares
This hedges only the portion the option is currently "sensitive" to, and you'd rebalance as delta changes — more dynamic, more work.
Bottom line: For a simple protective put overlay, use the full notional formula: (Strike × 50) ÷ ETF price. For a precise delta-hedge, multiply by the put's absolute delta and rebalance periodically. Most buy-and-hold investors using puts as portfolio insurance stick with the simpler notional approach.
No. I am buying NIFTY next 50 (or equal weight Nifty etf). so the notional value of the ETF is not clear. But im heding with nifty put.
Ah, I misunderstood. You're holding a Nifty Next 50 (or Nifty 50 Equal Weight) ETF and hedging with NIFTY 50 puts — but the ETF doesn't track NIFTY 1:1, so a simple notional match won't work.
Here's the right framework:
The Core Problem
| What You Hold | What You're Hedging With |
|---|---|
| Nifty Next 50 ETF (or Nifty 50 Equal Weight ETF) | NIFTY 50 Put Options |
These indices are correlated but not the same thing. So the hedge ratio needs to account for:
- How much does your ETF move when NIFTY moves? — i.e., beta (β)
- What notional of your ETF position do you want to protect?
Step-by-Step
1. Find Your ETF's Beta to NIFTY 50
Beta tells you: for every 1% move in NIFTY, how much does this ETF move?
| ETF | Approx. Beta to NIFTY 50 |
|---|---|
| Nifty Next 50 ETFs (JUNIORBEES, NEXT50IETF, etc.) | ~0.85–0.95 |
| Nifty 50 Equal Weight ETFs | ~0.95–1.10 |
The beta varies over time — use a 1-year or 2-year weekly beta from any screener (Tickertape, Trendlyne, or calculate from price data).
2. Calculate How Much NIFTY Exposure You Need to Hedge
Let's say you have ₹10,00,000 in a Next 50 ETF with a beta of 0.90 to NIFTY.
If NIFTY falls 10%, your ETF is expected to fall ~9%. So to fully offset the loss, you need puts covering a NIFTY notional of:
Hedge Notional = ETF Position Value × β
= ₹10,00,000 × 0.90 = ₹9,00,000
3. Convert to Put Contracts
NIFTY lot size = 50.
Contracts = (ETF Value × β) ÷ (Strike × 50)
Example: ETF value ₹10L, β = 0.90, buying 24,000 puts:
₹9,00,000 ÷ (24,000 × 50) = ₹9,00,000 ÷ ₹12,00,000 = 0.75 contracts → round to 1
4. Full Worked Example
| Variable | Value |
|---|---|
| ETF held | Nifty Next 50 (JUNIORBEES) |
| ETF position value | ₹15,00,000 |
| Beta to NIFTY | 0.88 |
| Adjusted NIFTY exposure | ₹15,00,000 × 0.88 = ₹13,20,000 |
| Put strike chosen | 24,000 |
| Put notional per lot | 24,000 × 50 = ₹12,00,000 |
| Contracts needed | ₹13,20,000 ÷ ₹12,00,000 = 1.1 → 1 lot |
Quick Reference Formula
Contracts = (ETF_Investment × ETF_Beta_to_NIFTY) ÷ (Put_Strike × 50)
Round to the nearest whole lot. Slight under-hedging (rounding down) is common — perfect coverage is rarely achievable with fixed lot sizes.
Practical Notes
| Consideration | What to Do |
|---|---|
| Beta drifts | Recalculate beta quarterly; Next 50 composition changes can shift it |
| Tracking error | The ETF may deviate from its own index too — but this is small for liquid ETFs |
| Under-hedging vs over-hedging | Rounding down leaves a small unhedged tail. Rounding up slightly over-hedges. For protective puts, rounding to the nearest lot is fine |
| Strike selection | Lower strike = cheaper put, less premium drag, but larger gap before protection kicks in |
| Roll frequency | Monthly or quarterly rolls are typical; factor in put premium as a recurring cost |
If You're Using Nifty 50 Equal Weight ETF
The equal weight index has a slightly different composition tilt — less concentration in the top names (HDFC Bank, Reliance), more weight to mid-sized Nifty constituents. Its beta to NIFTY 50 is typically close to 1.0–1.05, so you can often use:
Contracts ≈ ETF_Value ÷ (Strike × 50)
As a starting approximation, then refine with actual beta.
12:46:40 BUY NEXT50IETF NSE CNC 6592 / 10000 78.43 78.43 OPEN -- assume this order gets filled. Is each 1 unit of Nifty next 50? Becaus esome ETFs have notional price much differnet than this per unit
Yes, each unit of NEXT50IETF (ICICI Prudential Nifty Next 50 ETF) = 1 unit of the ETF, and it trades at ~₹78.43 per unit — roughly 1/1000th of the Nifty Next 50 index value.
Why Some ETFs Have "Different" Prices
The price per unit depends entirely on the face value and creation unit structure chosen at launch. AMCs set this arbitrarily — it has zero economic significance:
| ETF | Approx. Price/Unit | Ratio to Index |
|---|---|---|
| ICICI Pru Nifty Next 50 (NEXT50IETF) | ~₹78 | ~1/1,000th |
| Nippon Junior BeES (JUNIORBEES) | ~₹780 | ~1/100th |
| SBI Nifty Next 50 (SETFNN50) | ~₹790 | ~1/100th |
| Nippon Nifty BeES (NIFTYBEES) | ~₹272 | ~1/100th |
| SBI Nifty 50 (SETFNIF50) | ~₹260 | ~1/100th |
They're all the same underlying exposure — just different unit sizing. Like buying a pizza cut into 8 slices vs 12 slices.
Your Trade
| Detail | Value |
|---|---|
| Order | BUY 6,592 of 10,000 filled |
| ETF | NEXT50IETF (ICICI Pru Nifty Next 50) |
| Price | ₹78.43 |
| Position Value | 6,592 × ₹78.43 = ₹5,16,971 |
Hedge Calculation (Using Your Numbers)
Assuming a beta of ~0.88 for Next 50 vs NIFTY:
| Step | Calculation |
|---|---|
| ETF position | ₹5,16,971 |
| Adjusted NIFTY exposure | ₹5,16,971 × 0.88 = ₹4,54,934 |
| Put strike (say 24,000) | 1 lot covers ₹12,00,000 |
| Contracts needed | ₹4,54,934 ÷ ₹12,00,000 = 0.38 → 0 lots |
Reality Check
At ~₹5.2 lakh of ETF exposure, your position is too small for a single NIFTY put lot to make sense. One 24,000 put covers ₹12 lakh of NIFTY notional — you'd be over-hedged by ~2.6×.
Options at this size:
| Approach | What It Means |
|---|---|
| Skip the put | ₹5.2L isn't large enough for a clean NIFTY hedge — the lot size forces over-hedging |
| Scale the ETF position | At ~₹13.6L in the ETF (β-adjusted), 1 lot aligns reasonably |
| Use a lower strike | A far-OTM put is cheaper but provides only tail-risk protection — the notional mismatch remains |
| Consider Nifty Next 50 futures/options if available | Nifty Next 50 F&O exist on NSE — but liquidity is far thinner than NIFTY 50 |
For a clean 1-lot hedge, you'd want roughly ₹13.5–14 lakh in the ETF at current prices, or about 17,000–18,000 units of NEXT50IETF.
Ill add more. So a simple way is to just calculate the strike buy lot size and compare that to my total investment on the etf (and multiply by % change in strike from current ATM)?
Exactly — you've got it. The simple practical approach:
The Formula
Contracts = ETF_Investment ÷ (Strike × 50 × β)
But since β for Next 50 vs NIFTY hovers around 0.85–0.90, you can fold it in:
Contracts ≈ ETF_Investment ÷ (Strike × 50 × 0.88)
Or even simpler — just compare your ETF investment directly to what one lot of puts covers, adjusted for how far OTM/ATM the strike is.
Quick Reference Table
At NEXT50IETF ≈ ₹78.43, β ≈ 0.88:
| Put Strike | Put Notional (1 Lot) | β-Adjusted Coverage | ETF Units Needed | ETF Investment Needed |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 22,000 | ₹11,00,000 | ₹9,68,000 | ~12,350 | ~₹9.69L |
| 23,000 | ₹11,50,000 | ₹10,12,000 | ~12,920 | ~₹10.14L |
| 24,000 | ₹12,00,000 | ₹10,56,000 | ~13,470 | ~₹10.57L |
| 25,000 | ₹12,50,000 | ₹11,00,000 | ~14,040 | ~₹11.02L |
| 26,000 | ₹13,00,000 | ₹11,44,000 | ~14,600 | ~₹11.46L |
The % Change Point You Mentioned
You're right — if you're buying OTM puts (say 5% below spot), the put notional is smaller and so is the capital at risk that actually gets protected. But for a protective put overlay, you generally match the full position notional, not just the portion beyond the strike. The strike choice dictates the deductible (how much loss you eat before protection kicks in), not the hedge ratio.
One-Liner Mental Math
For every ₹10 lakh in NEXT50IETF → 1 lot of NIFTY 24,000 put gives you roughly full coverage at β 0.88.
Scale linearly from there. At ₹20.7L → 2 lots. At ~₹31L → 3 lots.
To reduce time value i spend on PUT - is it better to buy ITM, ATM, or OTM?
OTM puts give you the cheapest time value in absolute rupees — but that's the wrong way to look at it.
The Trade-Off
| Strike | Premium | Time Value (absolute) | Time Value (% of premium) | Protection Starts |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| OTM (23,000) | Lowest ₹ | Lowest ₹ | Highest % | After ~5% drop |
| ATM (24,200) | Medium ₹ | Highest ₹ | Highest ₹ | Immediately |
| ITM (25,500) | Highest ₹ | Medium ₹ | Lowest % | Immediately + intrinsic built in |
The Trap With OTM
OTM puts look cheap because the absolute premium is low. But:
- Nearly all of that premium is time value — pure decay
- You're paying for protection that only kicks in after a significant move
- The first 4–5% of the drop? That's your loss to eat — the put does nothing
So the "cheaper" OTM put is actually more expensive per unit of actual protection provided.
What Actually Minimizes Time Value Drain
Deep ITM puts have the lowest time value as a percentage of premium. A put at 26,000 when NIFTY is at 24,200 has ~₹1,800 of intrinsic value per unit and only a thin sliver of time premium on top. You're mostly paying for actual coverage, not theta.
But the upfront cash outlay is large, and you're locking in that intrinsic value.
The Practical Sweet Spot
For a protective put overlay where you're rolling periodically:
| If You Want... | Strike Choice | Why |
|---|---|---|
| Cheapest absolute cash outlay | Far OTM | Low premium, but lots of unhedged gap |
| Lowest time decay as % of premium | Deep ITM | Mostly intrinsic, minimal theta bleed |
| Best bang-for-buck balance | Slightly OTM (~2–3%) | Modest premium, small deductible, reasonable theta |
For Your Setup
If NIFTY is around 24,200:
| Strike | Approx. OTM % | Time Value Character |
|---|---|---|
| 23,500 | ~3% OTM | Moderate time value, small deductible |
| 24,000 | ~1% OTM | Low time value, tiny deductible |
| 24,200 | ATM | Max time value, zero deductible |
24,000 strike is a practical sweet spot — close to ATM so time value is manageable, small deductible (~0.8%), and the absolute premium won't cripple you.
Bottom Line
Slightly OTM (1–3%) minimizes time value spend while keeping the deductible small. Deep OTM looks cheapest in rupees but gives you the worst time-value-to-protection ratio. Deep ITM minimizes time value as a % but ties up too much capital in intrinsic. The middle ground — just a touch below spot — is where protective hedgers tend to land.
NIFTY 27DEC 25000 PE NFO 892.00 -74.85 (-7.74%) Bid Orders Qty. 893.10 1 65 893.00 1 65 890.00 1 65 881.05 1 65 865.60 1 65 Total 7,605 Offer Orders Qty. 900.00 3 910 937.10 1 130 974.50 1 650 975.00 1 65 984.00 1 650 Total 3,705 Open924.20 Low892.00 Prev. Close966.85 High925.80 -- is this good? nifty is currently at 25585. and how much will i lot protect?
Let me break this down.
The Contract
| Detail | Value |
|---|---|
| Strike | 25,000 |
| Expiry | 27 Dec (long-dated) |
| NIFTY Spot | 25,585 |
| Premium (mid) | ~₹893 |
| Lot Size | 50 |
Where the Strike Sits vs Spot
The strike is 25,000 and NIFTY is at 25,585.
The put is 585 points OTM = roughly 2.3% below spot
So NIFTY has to fall more than 2.3% before this put has any intrinsic value at expiry.
Cost & Coverage
| Metric | Value |
|---|---|
| Premium per unit | ₹893 |
| Total cost per lot | ₹893 × 50 = ₹44,650 |
| Put notional coverage | 25,000 × 50 = ₹12,50,000 |
| Cost as % of coverage | ₹44,650 ÷ ₹12,50,000 = 3.57% |
Protection Profile
| NIFTY at Expiry | Put Intrinsic Value | ETF Loss (β 0.88, ₹12.5L cover) | Put Gain | Net P&L (Put Only) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 26,500 (+3.6%) | 0 | — | –₹44,650 | –₹44,650 |
| 25,585 (unch) | 0 | — | –₹44,650 | –₹44,650 |
| 25,000 (–2.3%) | 0 | –₹25,300 | –₹44,650 | –₹44,650 |
| 24,000 (–6.2%) | ₹50,000 | –₹68,200 | +₹5,350 | +₹5,350 |
| 23,000 (–10.1%) | ₹1,00,000 | –₹1,11,100 | +₹55,350 | +₹55,350 |
| 22,000 (–14.0%) | ₹1,50,000 | –₹1,54,000 | +₹1,05,350 | +₹1,05,350 |
Is It "Good"?
As a protective put:
| Pro | Con |
|---|---|
| ~3 months of coverage | You eat the first 2.3% drop fully |
| 3.57% cost for the period (~14.3% annualized) | Expensive if NIFTY stagnates or rises mildly |
| Covers ₹12.5L of NIFTY notional | At β 0.88, covers ~₹14.2L of Next 50 ETF |
For your ETF hedge at β 0.88: One lot pairs well with about ₹14.2 lakh in NEXT50IETF (~18,100 units at ₹78.43).
Verdict
The premium (₹893) is high in absolute terms because it's a 3-month contract with a strike just 2.3% OTM. The time value component is significant. You're paying ~3.6% of notional for ~3 months of protection with a 2.3% deductible.
If NIFTY stays flat or rises over the quarter, the entire ₹44,650 decays. You'd need a meaningful correction to break even. For a rolling hedge strategy, this is on the pricier side — shorter-dated or slightly further OTM might bring the monthly cost down.
Nifty is at 24585
Ah, I had the spot wrong. That changes everything.
Corrected View
| Detail | Value |
|---|---|
| Strike | 25,000 |
| NIFTY Spot | 24,585 |
| Expiry | 27 Dec |
| Premium (mid) | ~₹893 |
The Strike Is Now ITM
25,000 – 24,585 = 415 points IN the money
This put already has ₹415 of intrinsic value per unit.
Premium Breakdown
| Component | Per Unit | Per Lot (×50) |
|---|---|---|
| Intrinsic value | ₹415 | ₹20,750 |
| Time value | ₹478 | ₹23,900 |
| Total premium | ₹893 | ₹44,650 |
Time value is about 54% of the premium. That's the part that decays — ₹23,900 over ~3 months.
Protection Profile (Corrected)
| Metric | Value |
|---|---|
| Put notional | 25,000 × 50 = ₹12,50,000 |
| Cost per lot | ₹44,650 |
| Of which time value at risk | ₹23,900 |
| NIFTY at Expiry | Put Value | P&L (Put) |
|---|---|---|
| 25,585 (your earlier level) | ₹0 | –₹44,650 |
| 25,000 | ₹0 | –₹44,650 |
| 24,585 (unch) | ₹20,750 | –₹23,900 |
| 24,000 | ₹50,000 | +₹5,350 |
| 23,000 | ₹1,00,000 | +₹55,350 |
| 22,000 | ₹1,50,000 | +₹1,05,350 |
Is This Good?
Yes — materially better than my earlier read. You're paying ₹23,900 in time value (~1.9% of notional) for 3 months of protection with effectively zero deductible — the put is already ITM, so protection starts from day one.
If NIFTY keeps falling, the intrinsic gains offset time decay. If it reverses toward 25,000+, you lose the time premium and some intrinsic. The break-even at expiry is 25,000 – 893 = 24,107 — NIFTY would need to rally ~478 points (2%) from here before you lose money on the put alone.
For a protective hedge against a falling market, entering on an ITM put when spot is already off its highs is a reasonable setup — you're paying for real coverage, not just tail risk.
Why 3 months? Whats december expiry date?
December 27 — that's about 4 months from now (today is Aug 3, 2026).
Corrected Timeline
| From | To | Tenor |
|---|---|---|
| Aug 3, 2026 | Dec 27, 2026 | ~146 days (~4.8 months) |
Revised Cost Math
| Metric | Value |
|---|---|
| Total premium per lot | ₹44,650 |
| Intrinsic value (locked in) | ₹20,750 |
| Time value at risk | ₹23,900 |
| Monthly time decay (approx.) | ₹4,975/month |
| Cost as % of notional (₹12.5L) | ~1.9% over ~4.8 months → ~0.48%/month |
Is That Good?
For an ITM protective put with nearly 5 months of runway, ~0.48% per month in time decay is fairly reasonable. You're getting:
- Immediate protection (already ITM)
- Long-dated coverage through year-end
- No gap/deductible before protection activates
The longer tenor means more total time premium paid upfront, but the monthly burn rate is modest. If you're positioning for a continued drawdown through year-end, this structure works.
How much will 1 lot cost, and protect against notional for how much?
| Detail | Value |
|---|---|
| Cost per lot | ₹44,650 |
| Notional protected | 25,000 × 50 = ₹12,50,000 |
| Protection period | Now → Dec 27, 2026 (~4.8 months) |
| Deductible | ₹0 — already ITM, covers from day one |
| Break-even NIFTY at expiry | 24,107 (spot must rally ~478 pts before put loses money) |
In ETF terms (NEXT50IETF at β 0.88):
₹12,50,000 ÷ 0.88 ≈ ₹14.2 lakh of ETF exposure covered by 1 lot
Its going to cost around 900
So at ₹900:
| Detail | Value |
|---|---|
| Cost per lot | 900 × 50 = ₹45,000 |
| Notional protected | 25,000 × 50 = ₹12,50,000 |
| Cost as % of notional | 3.6% for ~4.8 months |
| Per month | ~0.75% |
That's ~₹45,000 spent to put a floor under ₹12.5 lakh of NIFTY exposure through year-end. Roughly ₹9,400/month in time decay if spot stays flat.
But nifty lot is 65.
Ah, that changes it. Let me redo it.
Corrected
| Detail | Value |
|---|---|
| Strike | 25,000 |
| Lot size | 75 (NIFTY changed from 50 to 75) |
| Premium | ₹900 |
| Cost per lot | 900 × 75 = ₹67,500 |
Wait — you said 65. Let me confirm: is the NIFTY lot size now 65 or 75? It was revised upward over time. What's the actual contract multiplier showing on your screen for this Dec expiry?
Its 65.
Got it.
| Detail | Value |
|---|---|
| Strike | 25,000 |
| Lot size | 65 |
| Premium | ~₹900 |
| Cost per lot | 900 × 65 = ₹58,500 |
| Notional protected | 25,000 × 65 = ₹16,25,000 |
| Cost as % of notional | 3.6% for ~4.8 months |
| Per month | ~0.75% / ~₹12,200 |
ETF Coverage (β 0.88)
₹16,25,000 ÷ 0.88 ≈ ₹18.5 lakh of NEXT50IETF
At ₹78.43/unit, that's roughly 23,500 units. You currently have 6,592 filled, so you'd need to add about 17,000 more to align.
zerodha has a messaging saying this - his long-dated contract matures on December 28, 2027. Please check the market depth and place your order ac....But this seems weird to me, it cant be 2027 since that is not written in contract name. It seems like it could be zerodha ai error
You're right — the contract name is NIFTY 27DEC 25000 PE, which means:
- 27 = 2027
- DEC = December
So it is a December 2027 expiry — not 2026.
That Changes Things Dramatically
| Detail | Value |
|---|---|
| Expiry | Dec 27, 2027 |
| Tenor | ~17 months (~510 days) |
| Strike | 25,000 |
| NIFTY Spot | 24,585 |
| ITM by | 415 points |
| Premium | ~₹900 |
| Lot size | 65 |
| Metric | Value |
|---|---|
| Cost per lot | 900 × 65 = ₹58,500 |
| Intrinsic value | 415 × 65 = ₹26,975 |
| Time value | 485 × 65 = ₹31,525 |
| Notional protected | 25,000 × 65 = ₹16,25,000 |
| Monthly time decay | ~₹1,850/month |
Verdict
The monthly time decay is actually quite low (~0.11% of notional/month) because it's so far-dated. ₹58,500 locks in protection on ₹16.25 lakh of NIFTY for nearly a year and a half. The time value bleed is very slow.
The trade-off: you're committing capital for 17 months. If NIFTY recovers sooner, you may not need the protection that long, but the slow decay means you can exit without losing much time premium. Not a bad structure if you're genuinely concerned about a prolonged drawdown.
Isnt this too cheap? 1.5% protection cost (ignore intrinsic value).
Yeah, it is cheap. Let me double-check the math:
The Numbers
| Metric | Value |
|---|---|
| Time value per lot | 485 × 65 = ₹31,525 |
| Notional protected | ₹16,25,000 |
| Time value as % of notional | 1.94% |
| Over 17 months | |
| Per year | ~1.37% |
Why So Cheap?
A few factors at play:
The put is already ITM — you're paying ₹415 of intrinsic. The market is pricing time value on only the remaining uncertainty, not the full notional.
Far-dated options have lower theta per day — time decay is non-linear. Most of the decay happens in the final 60–90 days. At 500+ DTE, you're barely bleeding.
NIFTY at 24,585 with a 25,000 strike — the market sees a reasonable chance this put finishes worthless (NIFTY recovering 2%+ over 17 months isn't a stretch), so time premium is modest.
Low vol environment possibly — if India VIX is subdued, option premiums compress across the board.
Reality Check
~1.4% annualized cost for downside protection on a ₹16L+ notional, with no deductible? That's unusually attractive. The catch is:
- If NIFTY rallies past 25,000 early, you're sitting on a decaying asset you don't need
- The intrinsic portion (₹26,975) could erode if spot rises, on top of time decay
But if you're genuinely hedging against a prolonged bearish stretch, this is cheap insurance. Almost suspiciously so — worth verifying the bid-ask is real and not a stale quote.
what about this? NIFTY 27DEC 27000 PE NFO 1604.90 -92.10 (-5.43%) Bid Orders Qty. 1605.00 1 65 1604.10 1 65 1602.00 1 65 1601.00 2 130 1590.00 1 65 Total 7,605 Offer Orders Qty. 1620.95 1 65 1621.00 1 130 1648.90 1 65 1751.85 1 390 1752.35 1 390 Total 1,170
This one is much deeper ITM.
27,000 Strike vs 25,000 Spot (24,585)
| Detail | Value |
|---|---|
| Strike | 27,000 |
| NIFTY Spot | 24,585 |
| ITM by | 2,415 points |
| Premium (mid) | ~₹1,605 |
| Lot size | 65 |
Premium Breakdown
| Component | Per Unit | Per Lot |
|---|---|---|
| Intrinsic value | ₹2,415 | ₹1,56,975 |
| Time value | –₹810* | –₹52,650* |
| Total | ₹1,605 | ₹1,04,325 |
The premium (₹1,605) is actually *less** than the intrinsic value (₹2,415). That's ₹810 of negative time value — this put is trading at a discount to intrinsic.
Is That Real?
A put trading below intrinsic value is unusual. Possible explanations:
| Reason | Likelihood |
|---|---|
| Stale/wider spreads — the offer side is thin (1,170 total), bid-ask is ₹1,605–₹1,621 | High |
| Dividend adjustment — NIFTY options are European, so early exercise isn't possible; deep ITM puts can trade below parity when interest/dividend effects dominate | Possible |
| Liquidity — far-dated, deep ITM strikes have low volume; this may not fill cleanly | Likely |
If Fillable Near ₹1,605
| Metric | Value |
|---|---|
| Cost per lot | 1,605 × 65 = ₹1,04,325 |
| Intrinsic floor | 2,415 × 65 = ₹1,56,975 |
| Time value | Negative (you're being paid to hold time) |
| Notional protected | 27,000 × 65 = ₹17,55,000 |
| Net protection cost | Effectively zero or negative — the discount to intrinsic means time decay works in your favor |
Vs the 25,000 Put
| 25,000 PE | 27,000 PE | |
|---|---|---|
| Premium | ₹900 | ₹1,605 |
| Cost/lot | ₹58,500 | ₹1,04,325 |
| Time value | +₹31,525 | –₹52,650 |
| Notional | ₹16.25L | ₹17.55L |
| Protection floor | 25,000 | 27,000 |
| Downside buffer from spot | +415 pts | +2,415 pts |
Verdict
If you can get filled near the bid (~₹1,605), the 27,000 put is bizarrely attractive — you're getting paid to hold time value, and the higher strike gives you a much higher floor. But I'd be cautious: deep ITM, far-dated options with wide spreads often don't fill at screen prices. The real fill might come closer to intrinsic + some premium. Worth placing a limit order near the bid and seeing if it catches.
are you syre 27 Dec does not mean 27th Dec 2026?
Fair question. Indian option contract naming on NSE is:
NIFTY 27DEC 25000 PE
The 27 is the year — 2027.
If it were 2026, it would be NIFTY 26DEC 25000 PE.
Quick Check
Do you see a NIFTY 26DEC series on the chain? If yes, that's the Dec 2026 expiry. If the furthest visible is 27DEC (or 27DEC is what you pulled), then this is the December 2027 contract — the LEAPS-like far-dated expiry.
NSE lists expiries up to ~3 years out, so Dec 2027 is the longest-dated series available right now.
Confirm Yourself
Look at any strike in the Dec chain — if the symbol says 27DEC, it's 2027. No ambiguity. Zerodha's message was correct.
NIFTY DEC 27000 PE NFO 1890.00 -169.85 (-8.25%) Bid Orders Qty. 1882.40 1 65 1880.00 1 325 1877.90 1 65 1877.85 1 65 1877.75 1 65 Total 3,055 Offer Orders Qty. 1890.00 1 65 1896.60 1 65 1896.65 1 65 1896.70 1 65 1896.85 1 65 Total 3,445 Open2,050.00 Low1,860.05 Prev. Close2,059.85 High2,050.00 Volume7,800Avg. price1,896.96 Lower circuit840.95Upper circuit3,278.75 LTQ65LTT2026-08-03 12:49:55 ExpiryN/AOI
This is the near-month December contract — the symbol lacks a year prefix, so it's December 2026 (next expiry in that month).
NIFTY DEC 27000 PE (Dec 2026)
| Detail | Value |
|---|---|
| Expiry | Dec 31, 2026 (~5 months) |
| Strike | 27,000 |
| NIFTY Spot | ~24,585 |
| ITM by | 2,415 points |
| Premium (mid) | ~₹1,885 |
| Lot size | 65 |
Premium Breakdown
| Component | Per Unit | Per Lot |
|---|---|---|
| Intrinsic value | ₹2,415 | ₹1,56,975 |
| Time value | –₹530 | –₹34,450 |
| Total | ₹1,885 | ₹1,22,525 |
Again — negative time value. The put trades at a discount to intrinsic.
Head-to-Head: Your Two Options
| 27DEC 25000 PE (2027) | DEC 27000 PE (2026) | |
|---|---|---|
| Tenor | ~17 months | ~5 months |
| Strike | 25,000 | 27,000 |
| ITM | +415 pts | +2,415 pts |
| Premium | ₹900 | ₹1,885 |
| Cost/lot | ₹58,500 | ₹1,22,525 |
| Intrinsic/lot | ₹26,975 | ₹1,56,975 |
| Time value | +₹31,525 | –₹34,450 |
| Notional | ₹16.25L | ₹17.55L |
| Monthly time cost | ~₹1,850 | ~–₹6,900 (you gain) |
Verdict
The DEC 27000 PE (2026) is the better structure if you can stomach the upfront outlay. Negative time value means time is working for you, not against you. You're locking in a ₹27,000 floor on ₹17.55L of NIFTY notional for 5 months, and time decay is actually adding value.
The 27DEC 25,000 (2027) gives longer protection but costs positive time premium.
If your concern is a drawdown over the next 3–6 months rather than the next 1.5 years, the Dec 2026 27,000 PE is the sharper trade — provided you can get filled near the bid.
But how can put be cheaper than intrinsic
Good instinct — that shouldn't happen in a frictionless market. But it does, and here's why:
European-Style Exercise
NIFTY options are European — you can only exercise at expiry, not before. That means:
You cannot capture that ₹2,415 of intrinsic value today. You have to wait until Dec 31, 2026.
In the meantime:
The Cost-of-Carry Story
Think of it like this: you're paying ₹1,22,525 today to receive ₹1,56,975 at expiry — if NIFTY stays below 27,000.
| You Pay Now | You Get at Expiry (if ITM) |
|---|---|
| ₹1,22,525 | At least ₹1,56,975 |
That looks like free money — but the market isn't stupid. The discount reflects:
1. Dividends
Over 5 months, NIFTY constituents will pay dividends. When dividends are paid, the index falls by that amount (all else equal). The option market prices this in — the put is worth less because the index is expected to drift lower from dividends.
Rough dividend yield on NIFTY is ~1.3% annually. Over 5 months:
27,000 × 1.3% × (5/12) ≈ 146 points of expected dividend drag
2. Interest Rate / Carry
If you sold NIFTY futures instead of buying a put, you'd receive interest on the cash. The put premium is discounted to reflect the opportunity cost of tying up capital vs. a futures-based hedge.
3. Liquidity Discount
Deep ITM, near-month-ish options have low volume. Market makers widen spreads and shade prices to compensate for the risk of holding the position.
The Math
| Factor | Approx. Impact |
|---|---|
| Intrinsic | ₹2,415 |
| Less: dividend drag (~146 pts) | –₹146 |
| Less: carry adjustment (~60–80 pts) | –₹70 |
| Fair value ≈ | ~₹2,200 |
The screen shows ₹1,885 — the gap from ₹2,200 is likely the liquidity/large-spread haircut. The bid at ₹1,882 and offer at ₹1,890 suggest a tight market at that level, so this may actually be close to where it trades.
Bottom Line
The discount isn't an arbitrage — it's the market pricing in dividends, carry costs, and thin liquidity on a deep ITM European option. Still, at ₹1,885 vs ₹2,415 intrinsic, it's unusually wide. If you can get filled near the bid, you're capturing a meaningful edge.
No - why only 1.56? What if Nifty falls to 22000?
You're right — I framed it poorly. The payoff isn't capped at ₹1,56,975. That's just the minimum if NIFTY stays exactly where it is at expiry.
Actual Payoff
| NIFTY at Expiry | Intrinsic Value/Unit | Per Lot (×65) | Profit vs Cost (₹1,22,525) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 27,000 | 0 | 0 | –₹1,22,525 |
| 25,000 | ₹2,000 | ₹1,30,000 | +₹7,475 |
| 24,585 (unch) | ₹2,415 | ₹1,56,975 | +₹34,450 |
| 24,000 | ₹3,000 | ₹1,95,000 | +₹72,475 |
| 23,000 | ₹4,000 | ₹2,60,000 | +₹1,37,475 |
| 22,000 | ₹5,000 | ₹3,25,000 | +₹2,02,475 |
So the Trade Is
| You Pay | You Get |
|---|---|
| ₹1,22,525 today | 65 × (27,000 – NIFTY) at expiry, if NIFTY < 27,000 |
Every point NIFTY falls below 27,000 is ₹65 in your pocket. If NIFTY goes to 22,000, that's ₹3,25,000 — nearly 2.7× your cost.
The ₹1,56,975 was just the floor if spot doesn't move — not the cap. The downside is fully open-ended.
My goal is to hedge my long position for a cheap cost.
Then between the two:
| 27DEC 25000 PE (2027) | DEC 27000 PE (2026) | |
|---|---|---|
| Cost/lot | ₹58,500 | ₹1,22,525 |
| Time value at risk | +₹31,525 | –₹34,450 |
| Protection floor | 25,000 | 27,000 |
| Tenor | 17 months | 5 months |
| ETF covered (β 0.88) | ~₹18.5L | ~₹19.9L |
For Your Goal: Cheap Hedge
The 27DEC 25000 PE (2027) is the better fit:
- Lower cash outlay — ₹58,500 vs ₹1,22,525
- Time value is modest — ₹31,525 over 17 months is cheap
- Monthly burn — ~₹1,850/month, very manageable
- Long runway — you're covered through end of 2027, no need to roll
The Dec 2026 27,000 PE has negative time value which is attractive on paper, but it ties up ₹1.22L+ and expires in just 5 months. For a low-cost, set-and-forget hedge, the 2027 25,000 strike is cleaner — less capital locked up, slower bleed, and enough duration to ride out a prolonged drawdown.
But isnt the 2027 put an arbitrage?
No, because you can't exercise it early. That's the catch.
The "Arbitrage" That Isn't
You see: ₹900 premium, but ₹415 of intrinsic is baked in. So time value is only ₹485.
The temptation: "Buy at ₹900, wait for expiry, collect at least ₹415. Risk-free?"
The problem: It's European. You cannot exercise until Dec 2027. In 17 months:
- NIFTY could rally above 25,000 — your put goes to zero
- The ₹415 intrinsic cushion vanishes the moment spot crosses 25,000
- You lose the full ₹900
What You're Actually Buying
| Scenario at Expiry | Payoff |
|---|---|
| NIFTY < 24,107 | Profit (intrinsic > premium paid) |
| NIFTY at 24,107 | Breakeven |
| NIFTY 24,107–25,000 | Loss, but some intrinsic recovered |
| NIFTY > 25,000 | ₹58,500 total loss |
The intrinsic value today is not locked in — it's contingent on NIFTY staying below 25,000 for 17 months. That's a real risk, and that's why the premium isn't pure arbitrage.
The Dec 2026 27,000 PE — Same Logic, Amplified
The premium (₹1,885) is below intrinsic (₹2,415). Looks like free money. But NIFTY only needs to rally above 27,000 in 5 months for this to go to zero. The market is pricing a non-trivial probability of that.
Bottom Line
Deep ITM puts trading below intrinsic are not arbitrage — they're a bet that the index doesn't recover past the strike before expiry. The discount is the market pricing in that recovery risk. You're being compensated for taking the other side of that bet — which aligns perfectly with your goal of hedging a long position.
What are my scenarios - if Nifty falls - I protect my long and get back ~2x (on 27K put for dec 27). If nifty crossses 27K - I lose how much % on the put compared to my notional long?
DEC 27000 PE (Dec 2026) — Scenario Analysis
Assume: ₹19.9L in NEXT50IETF (β 0.88, covered by 1 lot) and ₹1,22,525 put cost.
If NIFTY Falls
| NIFTY at Expiry | ETF Loss (β 0.88) | Put P&L | Net P&L |
|---|---|---|---|
| 24,585 (unch) | — | +₹34,450 | +₹34,450 |
| 24,000 | –₹40,900 | +₹72,475 | +₹31,575 |
| 23,000 | –₹1,11,100 | +₹1,37,475 | +₹26,375 |
| 22,000 | –₹1,81,400 | +₹2,02,475 | +₹21,075 |
The put not only hedges — it slightly overcompensates because the 27,000 strike is deep ITM and you're capturing that intrinsic cushion.
If NIFTY Rallies Past 27,000
| NIFTY at Expiry | ETF Gain (β 0.88) | Put P&L | Net P&L |
|---|---|---|---|
| 27,000 | +₹1,71,600 | –₹1,22,525 | +₹49,075 |
| 27,500 | +₹2,08,700 | –₹1,22,525 | +₹86,175 |
| 28,000 | +₹2,45,600 | –₹1,22,525 | +₹1,23,075 |
The Key Number
Put loss: ₹1,22,525 (100% of premium)
ETF notional: ~₹19.9L
Put loss as % of notional: ~6.2%
So if NIFTY rips past 27,000, you lose the entire put premium. But your ETF gains ~12%+ in that same move — you net out comfortably positive. The put cost is a 6.2% drag that gets swamped by the upside.
Summary
| Scenario | Outcome |
|---|---|
| NIFTY crashes | ETF losses fully hedged + small net gain from ITM cushion |
| NIFTY flat | Put gives you ~₹34K net gain |
| NIFTY rallies past 27,000 | Put goes to zero, but ETF gains 2–3× the put loss |
You only truly lose if NIFTY grinds sideways between 25,000–27,000 — enough to erode the ITM cushion but not enough to make the ETF sing.
what is put cost on etf value atm?
You mean: if you bought the put at the same time as the ETF, at a spot of ~25,585 (ATM relative to the 25,000 strike back then), what did the put cost relative to the ETF position?
At Entry (NIFTY ~25,585)
| Metric | Value |
|---|---|
| ETF position (NEXT50IETF) | ~₹19.9L |
| Put strike | 27,000 (was ~5.5% ITM at entry) |
| Put premium at entry | Would have been higher than ₹1,885 — likely ~₹2,200–₹2,400 range |
But you're asking about cost relative to ETF value. Let me just give you the clean ratio:
Put Cost ÷ ETF Notional
| Strike | Premium | Cost/Lot | % of ETF Notional (~₹19.9L) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 25,000 (ATM-ish at entry) | ~₹950–1,050 | ~₹62K–68K | ~3.1–3.4% |
| 27,000 (deep ITM) | ~₹1,885 | ~₹1,22,525 | ~6.2% |
So at Entry, an ATM Put Would Have Cost
~3.2% of your ETF position for ~5 months of protection
That's the clean number. ~3% drag on the long for a near-zero-deductible floor. The 27,000 strike costs ~6% because it's deep ITM — you're paying for intrinsic, not just insurance.