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Option pricing versus fundamental value in market making

Are option prices, used typically by market makers, at all determined by a fundamental analysis of the stock and where the analyst expects the stock fair value to be across any time range?

25 days ago
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That's a really insightful question. The short answer is: not directly in the way you might think. Let me break this down.

How Market Makers Actually Price Options

Market makers don't typically start from fundamental fair value estimates and work outward to option prices. Instead, their process works largely in reverse:

The core framework is the Black-Scholes-Merton model (or variants). The model takes these inputs:

Input Source
Underlying stock price Observable in the market
Strike price Contract specification
Time to expiration Contract specification
Risk-free rate Observable (Treasury yields)
Implied volatility (IV) This is the key variable they solve for

Where Fundamentals Enter — Indirectly

Market makers don't plug a DCF-derived fair value into the model. But fundamentals influence option pricing through two channels:

  1. Through the stock price itself. If enough participants do fundamental work and bid the stock up or down, that flows into the option models automatically.

  2. Through anticipated volatility. This is the real nexus. Market makers adjust IV — the one free parameter — based on what they expect could happen. If an earnings announcement, FDA decision, or macro event is coming, they'll raise IV to reflect the uncertainty around the fundamental outcome. They don't need to know which direction the stock will move; they just need to price the magnitude of potential movement correctly.

The Volatility Smile Tells the Story

If options were purely model-driven with no fundamental judgment, IV would be flat across strikes. In reality, out-of-the-money puts almost always carry higher IV than at-the-money options — the "volatility smile" or "skew." This reflects a market consensus that extreme downside moves happen more often than a lognormal distribution would predict, which you could argue is fundamentally-informed risk assessment crystallized into prices.

The Real Answer

Market makers are largely agnostic on direction. Their edge comes from:

  • Bid-ask spread capture
  • Delta-hedging continuously to stay market-neutral
  • Statistical modeling of realized vs. implied volatility

A fundamental analyst says: "This stock is worth $150, it's trading at $120, I'm buying." A market maker says: "I don't care if it goes to $150 or $90 — I just need to price the 30% annualized vol correctly and hedge my delta."

That said, at the institutional level, options flow itself — large blocks bought by funds that do fundamental work — shapes the supply-demand dynamics that market makers respond to. So fundamentals filter in, but through the mechanism of order flow, not through the market maker's own analysis of fair value.

about 1 month ago
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But if IV is higher for OTM than ATM options, is that not evidenced in Realised volatility?

about 1 month ago
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Excellent pushback. You've hit on one of the deepest debates in quantitative finance. Let me sharpen the answer.

The Empirical Reality: The Smile Persists Even After Accounting for Realized Volatility

If the volatility smile were simply a rational forecast of future realized volatility, we should observe that OTM options' higher IV is justified by correspondingly higher realized volatility on those tails. The evidence largely says it isn't — at least not fully.

What the Data Shows

The volatility risk premium — the gap between implied and subsequently realized volatility — is not constant across strikes. It is systematically larger for downside strikes:

Strike Typical IV Typical Subsequent Realized Vol Risk Premium
Deep OTM Put 35% 25% +10 pts
ATM 22% 20% +2 pts
Deep OTM Call 24% 21% +3 pts

If realized volatility were consistently higher on the downside to match the IV skew, that risk premium gap would compress. It doesn't. The puts are overpriced relative to what actually materializes — and they have been, persistently, for decades.

So Why Doesn't It Get Arbitraged Away?

Several explanations, none mutually exclusive:

1. Crash aversion / demand for disaster insurance. Investors systematically overpay for downside protection the way homeowners overpay for earthquake insurance. The expected loss is smaller than the premium, but the scenario you're hedging against is existential. This demand pressure keeps OTM put IV elevated regardless of what realized vol suggests.

2. The limits of arbitrage. You cannot short OTM puts and wait for the mispricing to correct the way you can with an overvalued stock. To capture the vol risk premium you have to sell puts and delta-hedge them continuously. If the market crashes, your hedges may fail precisely when you need them. The trade has negative skew — small steady gains, occasional catastrophic losses. This is why it's called "picking up nickels in front of a steamroller."

3. Leverage and crash dynamics. When markets sell off sharply, volatility spikes and correlations go to one, compounding the realized move. This is real — crashes do exhibit higher realized vol — but the market overcompensates for the frequency of such events, not just their magnitude.

4. The peso problem. We simply haven't had enough crashes in the modern options era to statistically reject the hypothesis that OTM puts are fairly priced. A 3-standard-deviation event every 50 years may not show up in 30 years of data.

The Nuanced Answer

You're right that there's a kernel of truth: realized volatility is higher in stressed markets, so some skew is justified. But the magnitude of the skew — the persistent, tradeable spread between implied and realized — suggests the market prices in a fear premium that exceeds what the data rationalizes. The smile isn't a pure forecast; it's a forecast plus an insurance markup.

about 1 month ago
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What is the definition of Deep OTM in your answer? And is it for near-by expirations, or any expirations?

about 1 month ago
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Fair questions — I was loose with the term. Let me be precise.

Deep OTM: Standard Market Convention

In the options market, moneyness is typically defined by delta, not by distance from spot in percentage terms:

Classification Put Delta Range Approx. Distance from Spot
ATM -0.50 to -0.45 ±0-2%
OTM -0.45 to -0.25 2-5% away
Deep OTM -0.25 to -0.05 5-15%+ away
Far OTM (tails) Below -0.05 15%+ away

So a deep OTM put is typically one with a delta of roughly -0.05 to -0.25 — meaning the market prices roughly a 5% to 25% probability of it finishing in the money. For a stock at $100 with 30-day expiration, that might be the $85-$95 strike range.

Expiration Matters Enormously

The smile/skew I described isn't uniform across tenors. The pattern is well-documented:

Tenor Skew Behavior
Near-dated (0-30 days) Skew is sharpest. OTM puts carry the highest IV premium over ATM. This is where event risk — earnings, data releases — gets priced most aggressively.
Medium-dated (1-6 months) Skew moderates but remains pronounced. The insurance premium is still material.
Long-dated (6+ months) Skew flattens considerably. The disaster-insurance premium is smaller because the probability of a sustained, unrecoverable drawdown over long horizons is harder to distinguish from normal volatility compounding.

The Term Structure of Skew

In practice, you'll often see near-dated 25-delta puts trading at a 5-8 volatility point premium over ATM, while the same 25-delta puts 12 months out might carry only a 2-3 point premium. The market prices crashes as acute, short-lived panics — not as slow-motion deteriorations — which is why the skew is concentrated at the front of the curve.

So when I said "deep OTM puts" carry IV of 35% vs. 22% ATM, I was really describing a near-dated structure — something like a 10-20 delta put at 30 days. That same strike in a 12-month contract would show a much smaller spread.

about 1 month ago
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Can you demonstrate using real prices for 2-3 stocks? Make 1 chart per stock

about 1 month ago
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Let me pull actual options data for a few stocks and demonstrate this empirically. Let's use large, liquid names to get clean data. I'll pull the option chain for each and then chart IV against strike.Now I have the data. Let me extract the relevant IV data for a clean comparison. I'll focus on the near-dated (July 17) expiry since that's where the skew is sharpest, and compute the IV smile for each stock.Now let me chart each stock's IV smile separately. Let me create the charts:

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Loading chart...Here's what the three IV smile charts show, using the July 17, 2026 expiration (8 days out, near-dated where skew is sharpest):

What You're Seeing

Each chart plots implied volatility against moneyness (distance from ATM, where 0 = at-the-money, negative = OTM puts). The classic volatility smile/smirk is clear in all three:

Stock ATM IV ~10% OTM Put IV ~15-20% OTM Put IV Skew Premium
AAPL (~$315) 23% 32% at -8% 53% at -18% 30 pts
NVDA (~$210) 36% 46% at -10% 69% at -19% 33 pts
TSLA (~$405) 42% 46% at -7% 77% at -21% 35 pts

The key empirical point: The IV at deep OTM puts is massively higher than ATM — not by 2-3 points but by 30+ volatility points. That is exactly the skew we were discussing. The market prices these tail-risk puts as if crashes are far more frequent than a lognormal distribution would suggest.

Notice also that the skew is not symmetric — it's a smirk, not a smile. OTM calls carry only slightly elevated IV, while OTM puts carry dramatically elevated IV. This asymmetry is the market's way of pricing crash insurance. TSLA shows the most extreme skew of the three, consistent with its higher volatility and "tail risk" reputation.

about 1 month ago
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Can you output text with the data in a table

about 1 month ago
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Here are the underlying data points for each chart:

AAPL — July 17 Expiry (Spot ~$315)

Moneyness Strike IV
-17.5% $260 53%
-12.7% $275 44%
-7.9% $290 32%
-4.8% $300 26%
-3.2% $305 24%
-1.6% $310 23%
0.0% (ATM) $315 23%
+1.6% $320 23%
+3.2% $325 26%
+7.9% $340 28%

NVDA — July 17 Expiry (Spot ~$210)

Moneyness Strike IV
-19.0% $170 69%
-14.3% $180 58%
-9.5% $190 46%
-4.8% $200 39%
-2.4% $205 38%
0.0% (ATM) $210 36%
+2.4% $215 36%
+4.8% $220 36%
+7.1% $225 37%
+11.9% $235 44%

TSLA — July 17 Expiry (Spot ~$405)

Moneyness Strike IV
-21.0% $320 77%
-13.6% $350 56%
-7.4% $375 46%
-3.7% $390 43%
-1.2% $400 42%
0.0% (ATM) $405 42%
+1.2% $410 42%
+3.7% $420 42%
+6.2% $430 43%
+11.1% $450 47%
about 1 month ago
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For NVDA - what is the OI, bid/ask volumes for the options - add in table

about 1 month ago
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Here is the same NVDA IV smile data, now enriched with the full market detail for each strike:

NVDA — July 17, 2026 Expiry (Spot ~$210)

Moneyness Strike IV Bid Bid Size Ask Ask Size Last Price Volume Open Interest
-19.0% $170 69% $0.06 1 $0.07 153 $0.06 6,166 27,970
-14.3% $180 58% $0.13 2 $0.14 208 $0.13 6,263 78,773
-9.5% $190 46% $0.27 361 $0.28 343 $0.28 17,269 45,744
-4.8% $200 39% $0.91 30 $0.93 14 $0.94 20,723 47,879
-2.4% $205 38% $1.86 15 $1.92 20 $1.90 19,754 20,583
0.0% (ATM) $210 36% $3.60 40 $3.70 27 $3.70 15,992 27,830
+2.4% $215 36% $6.30 19 $6.45 11 $6.55 2,587 10,874
+4.8% $220 36% $10.00 30 $10.10 10 $10.06 3,964 13,334
+7.1% $225 37% $14.35 2 $14.50 42 $14.58 592 7,492
+11.9% $235 44% $23.25 4 $24.95 23 $25.12 9 47

Key takeaways from the liquidity data:

  • Deepest liquidity is at $180 — 78,773 open interest with tight bid/ask ($0.13/$0.14). This is the primary hedging strike and easily the most important line on the chain.
  • Volume spikes at ATM ($200-$210) — 20,723 and 15,992 contracts traded, consistent with short-dated gamma hedging activity with 8 days to expiry.
  • OTM puts far more liquid than OTM calls — the $170 strike has 27,970 open interest vs. just 47 contracts at the $235 call-equivalent strike. This is direct evidence of the structural demand for downside protection.
  • Bid/ask spreads are tight for a single-name stock — $0.01-$0.02 wide in the most active strikes ($170-$210), reflecting healthy market-making competition in NVDA's options complex. Spreads widen meaningfully above $220, where liquidity drops off.
  • The $200 and $205 strikes deserve special note — combined open interest of ~68k with IV at 38-39%, sitting right at the edge of what we discussed as "deep OTM" (approximately 10-delta territory for an 8-day option). This is where the institutional hedging flow concentrates.
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At deep OTM - bid of 1 and ask of 153 (sizes) - what does that imply?

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At deep OTM - bid of 1 and ask of 153 (sizes) - what does that imply?

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